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    7868 B918事變 平成二十二年九月十八日(土)18:08 ID:BbBcKX1w No.285196  
    近幾年動畫,為何只有瞬光的夜襲,探討918事變?
    而且還是「坦坦蕩蕩,堂堂正正」面對918
    A-1 Pictures精美的作畫,讓這段沉睡的歷史多了些美感
    這片尾曲配上鐵道的畫面真的很有韻味又很好聽,因為歌手是位加拿大魁北克人
    還有雪菜,是個大美女,只是生錯時代,80年之後,21世紀會更好
    川口開治的動畫要學著點。
    無念 平成二十二年九月十八日(土)18:30 ID:ZKx8GDJ2 No.285199  
    >>探討918事變?
    現在都是由美少女動畫主導
    而且以這種歷史作題材的動畫根本就不多
    不過這動畫好像在美化日本侵華
    無念 平成二十二年九月十八日(土)18:39 ID:i5Cw/qSA No.285200  
    應該說把錯都丟到日本某派身上...幫其他派開脫
    不過動畫而已,別太計較了
    無念 平成二十二年九月十八日(土)19:02 ID:1qjhAfdc No.285207  
    閃光的逆襲哪有探討什麼
    只不過是另一種形式的自我感覺良好罷了
    無念 平成二十二年九月十八日(土)19:24 ID:24t7Ck5. No.285213  
    除了雪菜
    這片真的乏善可陳
    看實況板的歷史補充討論還比影片本身精彩
    無念 平成二十二年九月十八日(土)20:14 ID:SRo8/176 No.285218  
    閃光是公認的自慰片吧
    無念 平成二十二年九月十八日(土)20:43 ID:ZXEyycRc No.285226  
    當事人做的動畫通常不會客觀喔
    無念 平成二十二年九月十八日(土)20:55 ID:9EWRhzok No.285229  
    典型的日系yy+脫罪片

    話說回來 動畫力量打著振興原創動畫的名號
    結果前兩部都是這種不上不下的傭作
    連原本看好的第三部也開始爛了
    真是丟臉丟到家..
    無念 平成二十二年九月十八日(土)20:55 ID:nLhEeEB6 No.285230  
    看中國還台灣能做出真正公正的動畫嗎?
    無念 平成二十二年九月十八日(土)21:22 ID:pIouO1x2 No.285235  
    >No.285196
    閃光的夜襲根本就沒在探討九一八
    你會不會想太多了?

    >No.285229
    總比最近一堆製作公司不思長進
    只會挑輕小說, 漫畫來改編好多了
    況且動畫力量第三部目前不過就劇情超展開
    又還沒完結, 說爛也太早了吧?!
    無念 平成二十二年九月十八日(土)22:45 ID:8zuTayIg No.285245  
    閃光是yy+脫罪片?!
    不好意思 恕我無法認同

    這動畫沒有改變歷史
    日本並沒有造出超級武器(核武?)來扭轉戰局
    對於在中國本土的侵略行動
    也未見其美化的行為(當然也沒有醜化或道歉)

    既沒有美化,也沒有悔罪。就我的看法,
    裡面的人物只是歷史洪流裡的小小旁觀者
    劇情只是把曾經發生過的史實
    原原本本 用動畫表現出來
    再配合一些超能力+諜報要素罷了

    就只是很單純的表現,甚至未加評論
    這動畫並沒有偏向任何一方

    就像ED後所寫的
    「時代の歴史的事実またはその出来事に対する新しい解釈への試みではないこと」
    無念 平成二十二年九月十八日(土)22:48 ID:NxRrGKNU No.285246  
    縮圖點開還她X的是縮圖啊!!!!!
    無念 平成二十二年九月十八日(土)22:58 ID:UflFlKSs No.285248  
    >285235
    原來做原創動畫就要無條件支持?
    作不好就是做不好
    藉口一堆..

    三部下來 原創劇本的優勢根本沒什麼發揮到
    光是會喊口號有屁用?
    前面兩部的確是普普通通 平成二十二年九月十八日(土)23:04 ID:i5Cw/qSA No.285250  
    >>No.285248
    做不做的好你說了算阿www
    至少世紀末超自然學院這部目前我很滿意,搞笑和每集主題間拿捏的很好
    無念 平成二十二年九月十八日(土)23:42 ID:zzkyBJaE No.285254  
    >285250
    >做不做的好你說了算阿w
    這句話我可以直接奉還給你..
    不過還是算了w

    我覺得奇怪的是
    改編的那些原作也是原創阿
    同樣都是原創 為什麼人家的就可以紅
    為什麼動畫的就是幾乎都冷門?
    老實說 大部分的原創動連基本的人設都比不贏人家 更別說劇情轉折了
    我覺得主因可能是動畫原創不像其他媒體有編輯系統
    沒有人來幫忙刪減、抓方向、濃縮精簡
    結果就是傭作糞作一部接一部
    無念 平成二十二年九月十九日(日)00:04 ID:OqWtokFY No.285256  
    >285254
    >這句話我可以直接奉還給你..
    別以為隨便說句奉還就可以奉還, 被公認不好的就是不好, 再怎樣奉還也都改變不到

    做得好不好不是你一個人說了算, 而是很多人說了算
    無念 平成二十二年九月十九日(日)00:31 ID:Fl1fjwiU No.285260  
    >No.285254
    動畫原創啊
    人多手雜才是麻煩啊…
    就算企劃書寫再好
    公司政策來個大轉彎,週轉不靈
    前線導演突然變卦亂玩
    費用縮減、腰斬,還有大批動畫師要管理

    相對而言漫畫比較單純,就漫畫家跟編輯,小說也是
    當然連載反映不佳也是照樣砍
    無念 平成二十二年九月十九日(日)01:28 ID:4hjz0NpY No.285266  
    >285260
    上面說的主要是編劇方面吧
    看看種D、sorakake的災難 顯然是沒什麼在管理監督的結果
    真的會讓人懷疑動畫的劇本根本是隨便弄弄..

    當然編輯制不代表就一定沒問題(看向Jump
    但是要搞原創
    最核心的劇情怎麼能夠不小心應付
    有人專門幫忙編輯劇情總比一群劇本師自己硬幹來的好..
    無念 平成二十二年九月十九日(日)01:37 ID:R/QqG1HU No.285267  
    其實也沒有多坦白
    只是很有誠意的寫了一個歷史故事罷了.

    手塚也畫過日本二戰
    對中國的敘述也只是大內地的泥沼戰以及戰爭之惡,對於華人被怎樣也是一字不寫
    與其說是想隱滿
    我更覺得這是兩個不同國家看待這場戰爭的角度不同.......
    在中國,被日本鬼殺家人的後代絕對不少
    死幾百萬的人戰爭之罪完全得歸咎給日本
    所以即使我們在史料上看到二戰,意識型態上我們也是傾向討厭日本,這是正常的,也是無法被責備的事實.

    侵略國看來的戰爭是這樣
    被略國=我們看來的戰爭是這樣
    只是如此罷了........
    哪天換日本鬼被俄羅斯打到本土持續八年燒殺擄掠
    他們跑出來的史論也不會跟我們差到哪啦
    無念 平成二十二年九月十九日(日)02:00 ID:zm/oFFFc No.285272  
    > 看中國還台灣能做出真正公正的動畫嗎?
    要國民黨跟共產黨去比誰抗日抗的比較多嗎? XD
    無念 平成二十二年九月十九日(日)09:05 ID:Q2CrwYGE No.285324  
    >>No.285254
    因為除了國民動畫
    其他動畫播放時段大部分都是在半夜
    無念 平成二十二年九月十九日(日)09:31 ID:KYGXvQvI No.285335  
    聽說最先主張侵略的人是天皇?
    日本人犧牲了自己救了中國 平成二十二年九月十九日(日)09:37 ID:joovEN1o No.285337  
    http://komica32.dreamhosters.com/up/src/up2641.mht
    無念 平成二十二年九月十九日(日)10:22 ID:7i2q/Yng No.285345  
    還好台灣政客善於撕裂族群
    不然現在對日本的看法大概也不會跟老共差到哪去

    回一些人
    日本人讓華人火大的原因就是不乾不脆的道歉
    即使在島上島民普遍喜歡日本文化
    這一點相信還是讓人無法理解的問題
    無念 平成二十二年九月十九日(日)10:45 ID:5bzxJp0s No.285348  
    簡單說
    問題的核心在於日本文化就是不敢自我批判
    因為他們最講求讀空氣
    身為日本人就是要挺自己人挺到底 就算再爛也不能批評
    華人天天罵自己
    美國人天天婊自己
    就只有日本人到現在還是整天把自己當受害者哀哀叫
    東伊甸有稍微婊過這種心態
    但是仍然不敢講的太明
    至於這部更是絕 直接把主戰激進派分割成敵人
    然後把主角日本人們變成為了中國犧牲奉獻的幕後大好人
    光聽就想吐..
    無念 平成二十二年九月十九日(日)10:55 ID:X4WL9adc No.285350  
    這部給我唯一的感覺是
    沒有字幕誰都看不明白
    無念 平成二十二年九月十九日(日)11:16 ID:t8mEM2gE No.285353  
    算啦
    日本人就算不醜化也會美化自己國家的
    看那精美的螢火蟲之墓


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